Informed consent conversation with Anton Guvere about "Carpentry Story". From Atemble village. Ñɨgai clan. First wife was Nend, from Pasinkap, was barren and died (with two adopted kids); second wife was also from Pasinkap, has 5 kids. Mother was Prad clan. Went to Catholic school for several years, although they didn't do grades. Then went to carpentry school at Sek and worked for some decades in Madang town. Birth date is approximate.